MOE-boy Contradictions

Law of Non-Contradiction states that contradictions are false therefore all of these are wrong โ€” ๐Ÿคก

Here's the tldr as to why your concoction of socialism is false and Anarcho-capitalism is true (Aggression vs Non-aggression)

  1. Semantics so everyone's on the same page, (I know its hard for you, but grant me a smidge of intellectual honesty will ya ๐Ÿฅบ)
    Aggression: The initiation of conflict โ€” self-defense is not aggression, that is a justified response towards aggression
    Conflict: Contradictory actions
eg. Desert island, Robert finds a stick and fashions it into a spear to go spear-fishing, Murray wants to use it to stoke his fire โ€” conflict arises, both Robert and Murray cannot spear-fish + stoke fire at the same time with the stick.
  1. Two ways we can solve conflicts over scarce resources
    a) Using aggression โ€” (steal/murder/harm/coercion etc)
    b) Using non-aggresion โ€” property rights

  2. Aggression-based ethics (๐Ÿคฎ)
    These are ethics which permit aggression in some configuration, eg:

    • Racism - by race
    • Marxism (full on socialism) - by owner vs worker dynamic
    • Monarchy - by royalty
    • Democracy (mild socialism) - by vote
    • Imperialism - by military force
      Forget the technical details and merits of each, they all allow for aggression in some form, so firstly can aggression be justified?
  3. Argument from Argument โ€” showing aggression to be false ๐Ÿค“

    • argumentation is and must be a conflict-free interaction used to derive truth values - arguing otherwise results in an obvious contradiction
    • arguing for aggression in particular, presupposes the norm of non-aggression as argumentation is a conflict-free interaction meaning this pro-aggression argument is a performative contradiction.
      This is akin to saying, "I ought not speak" or "People are always indifferent to doing things" or "We ought not argue" โ€” the very act of proposing these propositions, presupposes the very opposite of the claim being made therefore contradicting oneself and thus being false. i.e. "I ought not speak (by speech)" = FALSE = "I ought aggress (by non-aggression)" ๐Ÿ˜Ž
      Trying to evade this conclusion by saying you don't need to argue for your "pro-agression ethic" is the same thing religion does which would mean you become the very thing you are against.
  4. Aggression is false so Non-aggression is true ๐Ÿ’ก
    From argumentation we know aggression is false and additionally we know property rights exists, as to deny this in argumentation would be to presuppose one's self-ownership as well as the interlocutor's โ€” (why else would you need to engage with him if you truly owned him? clearly you do not and cannot)
    Basically, through argumentation we know that people own themselves (SHOCKER! ๐Ÿ˜ฑ), therefore you cannot justify aggression towards another individual no matter your arbitrary reason.
    This is the justification of the NAP (Non-aggression Principle), which underpins consensual trade โ€” the free market โ€” Capitalism at large.

    So if you hold logic to be true, any ethic that allows even the tiniest form of aggression is FALSE
    QED Bitch. ๐Ÿ–•

The Clown's response (Last thoughts on evasion of the argument)

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Instead of addressing the main point of aggression (the underlying mechanism for the policies he supports โ€” taxation/extortion by govt), he hand-waves it by saying they are imaginary points with no evidence.

The Aggression vs Non-aggression excerpt LITERALLY states the point that under scarce resources conflicts arise and we have 2 ways to dispute them. In what world is that imaginary? This is our reality.

This kinda response is a failed attempt of trying to hold frame and steer the argument into tit-for-tat on specific policies where he wants us to assume taxation is not theft and so he can pick out irrelevant talking points like the legality of things/its utility etc etc.
That is all irrelevant bullshit โ€” the core idea behind taxation/central planning is the use of aggression by the state.

Its bewildering to me that he once argued rightfully for consent in rape discussion/debacle with another guy, but can't see that taxation is theft since it is without consent. He may agree personally to being taxed so to him it is not theft but thats not how theft is defined. Who on earth would use "feeling like they are being stolen from" as a basis for whether or not something is theft? An action cant be theft in one instance and then in another instance the opposite, this is the law of excluded middle. Taxation is either theft or not it. Is consent involved in taxation? No, therefore it is theft and a form of aggression.
This is why the basis for the excerpt above is to show that aggression is false.

His claim that its not related to anything he's said is testament to the fact that he is intellectually inept and cannot string 2 thoughts together. He is dumbfounded by how I could dive deeper into the ethical underpinnings of these policies which he supports. (We've had extensive calls in which he states his favour for govt interventions/taxation etc - even called Flow and Digicel monopolies which are literally 2 companies that provide the same things) This is the individual we are dealing with.

At the end of the day I can back up my ideas but he cannot. Instead he evades by ignoring my justification altogether rather than dispute it. This is not uncommon for ideologues who have too much ego invested to be seen wrong so they deflect.

Aggression is the uncomfortable truth all socialists/redistributionists/utilitarians etc do not want to engage with. Some of those with a little more intellectual honesty will cede that it is aggression but state its for the greater good. This guy outright shows ignorance and refuses to engage with an inconvenient truth.